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Strange sound in HDD with Gimp - siniseu - 03-08-2018

hi

when i open an multi layered .xcf file in gimp most of the layers are text after few seconds i hear a strange sound from hdd listen below:

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0IviH2RCHJm

i-m using:
debian jessie 8.10.0 amd 64 with gnome 3.14.1
AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ × 2
AMD Radeon R7 250 Series
16Gb SSD for the: /
hdd wd black caviar 2500 250Gb for: /home

what i need to do to hear that sound is to not move mouse or touch keyboard 10-15 seconds

gimp 2.8.14 with gimp_dark_v2 theme standard installation no additional plugins

here a the .xcf file with the strange sound:

http://www.filedropper.com/fonmascopie


below is syslog when i launch ghimp
Code:
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:13: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „images/edit.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:14: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „images/edit.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:28: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „images/histogram.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:29: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „images/histogram.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:163: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „images/histogram.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:164: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „images/histogram.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:281: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-close.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:282: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-close.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:283: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-close.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:284: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-close.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:349: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-selection.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:367: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-zoom-fit-12.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:389: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-gegl.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:397: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-display-filter-colorblind.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:398: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-display-filter-contrast.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:399: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-display-filter-lcms.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:400: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-display-filter-proof.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:401: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-tool-unified-transform.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/imagerc:414: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-flip-vertical.svg”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/gtkrc:1504: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/gimp-menu-line-h.png”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/gtkrc:1507: Background image options specified without filename
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/gtkrc:1546: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/entry-border-active-notebook.png”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/gtkrc:1549: Background image options specified without filename
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/gtkrc:1604: Unable to locate the image file în pixmap_path: „ui/combo-entry-border-rtl-notebook.png”
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/gtkrc:1608: Background image options specified without filename
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/gtkrc:1936: error: unexpected string constant "gimp-dark-scrolled-window-style", expected character '='
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: ** (gimp-2.8:4121): WARNING **: Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap:
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/ui/progressbar.svg,
Mar  8 08:43:54 ???? gnome-session[1062]: borders don't fit within the image
Mar  8 08:43:56 ???? gnome-session[1062]: Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x260022f (GIMP)
Mar  8 08:43:57 ???? gnome-session[1062]: Gtk-Message: (for origin information, set GTK_DEBUG): failed to retrieve property `GimpToolPalette::tool-icon-size' of type `GtkIconSize' from rc file value "((GString*) 0x368c560)" of type `GString'
Mar  8 08:43:57 ???? gnome-session[1062]: ** (gimp-2.8:4121): WARNING **: Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap:
Mar  8 08:43:57 ???? gnome-session[1062]: /usr/share/gimp/2.0/themes/gimp-dark-v2/ui/bar-v.svg,
Mar  8 08:43:57 ???? gnome-session[1062]: borders don't fit within the image


RE: ghimp hdd strange sound - Ofnuts - 03-08-2018

Gimp uses the standard system interfaces for disk I/O.

All I hear is a faint rattling. Considering that the disk must be 4-5 years old at least it could be aging. I would recommend taking a peek at its SMART data (requires the smartmontools package) to assess its wear. And if it doesn't support SMART, it's not old, it's ancient...

RE: ghimp hdd strange sound - siniseu - 03-08-2018

(03-08-2018, 07:38 AM)Ofnuts Wrote: Gimp uses the standard system interfaces for disk I/O.

All I hear is a faint rattling.

if you will listen the file louder you will hear: metalic squeak

like: sq sq sq    sq    sq sq sq     sq sq

model of the hdd is old but i buy it 1-1,5 year ago it supports SMART

below is smartmontools result

Code:
smartctl 6.4 2014-10-07 r4002 [x86_64-linux-3.16.0-5-amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Western Digital Caviar SE Serial ATA
Device Model:     WDC WD2500JS-00MHB1
Serial Number:    WD-WCANK2154617
Firmware Version: 10.02E01
User Capacity:    250.059.350.016 bytes [250 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ATA/ATAPI-7 (minor revision not indicated)
Local Time is:    Thu Mar  8 14:50:02 2018 EET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84)    Offline data collection activity
                   was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
                   Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                   without error or no self-test has ever
                   been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:         ( 7680) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:              (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                   Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                   Suspend Offline collection upon new
                   command.
                   Offline surface scan supported.
                   Self-test supported.
                   Conveyance Self-test supported.
                   Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                   power-saving mode.
                   Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                   General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (  90) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   6) minutes.
SCT capabilities:            (0x103f)    SCT Status supported.
                   SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                   SCT Feature Control supported.
                   SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   100   253   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   192   186   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       5391
 4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       609
 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   096   096   000    Old_age   Always       -       2988
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0012   100   100   051    Old_age   Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       605
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   034   010   045    Old_age   Always   FAILING_NOW 66
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   084   060   000    Old_age   Always       -       66
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0009   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
   1        0        0  Not_testing
   2        0        0  Not_testing
   3        0        0  Not_testing
   4        0        0  Not_testing
   5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
 After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.


with other programs it run smoothly

RE: ghimp hdd strange sound - Ofnuts - 03-08-2018

Is the file big enough to make Gimp create a tile cache, or make the system swap to disk? Otherwise 15 seconds after startup Gimp won't be doing any I/O...

RE: ghimp hdd strange sound - siniseu - 03-08-2018

(03-08-2018, 01:54 PM)Ofnuts Wrote: Is the file big enough to make Gimp create a tile cache, or make the system swap to disk? Otherwise 15 seconds after startup Gimp won't be doing any I/O...


 file si not big, and it makes that sound always if not move mouse or touch keyboard if i work with that file it not make any sound

RE: ghimp hdd strange sound - Ofnuts - 03-08-2018

(03-08-2018, 02:00 PM)siniseu Wrote:
(03-08-2018, 01:54 PM)Ofnuts Wrote: Is the file big enough to make Gimp create a tile cache, or make the system swap to disk? Otherwise 15 seconds after startup Gimp won't be doing any I/O...


 file si not big, and it makes that sound always if not move mouse or touch keyboard if i work with that file it not make any sound

As I said above, it Gimp is basically idle it won't do any I/O, so your suspicion doesn't stand on very firm ground... Experiment:
  • start Gimp from a terminal
  • give the focus back to the terminal and wait for the noise to appear
  • in the terminal, enter CtrlZ to stop Gimp, does the noise disappear?
  • in the terminal, enter fg to restart Gimp, does the noise reappear?
  • you can alternate the stopped/running states  with CtrlZ/fg


RE: Strange sound in HDD with Gimp - rich2005 - 03-09-2018

Too much temptation with this one, Has the OP considered using WD40 Wink

My old notes say:

If the RAW figure for Reallocated Sector Count, Current Pending Sector Count, or Reallocation Event Count is higher than zero, then the drive is throwing up bad sectors. Replace it.

So it looks like the drive is OK.

Although the temperature looks dubious.

As a comparison my laptop:
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 24 (Min/Max 13/48)


I wonder if idle3-tools would make a difference?

Idle3-tools provides a linux/unix utility that can disable, get and set the value of the infamous idle3 timer found on recent Western Digital Hard Disk Drives......
....Unfortunately, the default timer setting is not perfect on linux/unix systems, including many NAS, and leads to a dramatic increase of the Load Cycle Count value (SMART attribute #193). With the default timer setting, the drive will spin down *every eight seconds* if idle and this may get the spindle motor to burn out in a few months or so.

RE: ghimp hdd strange sound - siniseu - 03-10-2018

(03-08-2018, 06:32 PM)Ofnuts Wrote: Experiment:
  • start Gimp from a terminal
  • give the focus back to the terminal and wait for the noise to appear
  • in the terminal, enter CtrlZ to stop Gimp, does the noise disappear?
  • in the terminal, enter fg to restart Gimp, does the noise reappear?
  • you can alternate the stopped/running states  with CtrlZ/fg


i did the experiment and the results are following:

after starting the gimp from terminal and opening the .xcf file there was no sound (i just reinstalled debian) so i opened the same file twice with different file names so sound appear again

on the terminal window that was above i pres Ctrl Z and sound disappear  after few second in terminal i entered fg and hit enter and sound appear again

after played with Ctrl Z and fg few times i wright these message
so my experiment for you is download these .xcf file from here: http://www.filedropper.com/fonmascopie

or make one multilayered with normal and  inverted horizontally text also text must be with alfa to selection grow borders
make two copies with different name open both and wait in a silent room for 10-15 sec without pressing any keyboard or mouse button


conclusion: in my case strange metallic squeak repetitive sound is present

RE: Strange sound in HDD with Gimp - Ofnuts - 03-10-2018

Can't do you test, I only have a SSD, so if it emitted metallic noises (or any kind of noise for that matter) I would be very worried.

What make you think it's the HDD and not some ventirad?

Is your home directory on the SSD or on the HDD? If you can run without the HDD, have you tried to unmount it?

RE: Strange sound in HDD with Gimp - rich2005 - 03-10-2018

Seriously, what can that be other than the drive spinning up and down. Noisy fans - doubt it.

My laptop is SSD (+HD for storage) as well but I do still have a desktop, two drives.

Does your Debian installation have any utilities for monitoring disk activity.

This is PClinuxOS + a desktop widget.

[Image: KqU7YVo.jpg]

That is root + home partitions. If the disk activity does not tail off, but cycles, in sync with the noise then look at that info I posted on WD drives.

The WD drive I have installed there is for data. SMART says the temperature is 25⁰C Your drive reports 66⁰C, that has to be a concern. Going to fail sooner rather than later.