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All my color blendings are tending towards brighter values in all images - Ellye - 01-27-2024 Suppose I have a pure black (#000000) layer and a pure white (#FFFFFF) layer. They are one on top of the other, both with normal blending. The one above is 50% opacity. I'd expect that the resulting color would be a midpoint gray (#7F7F7F). And I'm pretty sure that's what I used to get on GIMP until recently, and it's still what I get on other softwares. Instead, I'm getting #BCBCBC - a far brighter color. This is not just about layer blending either - any brush with some kind of transparency or anything like that - the result of mixing colors always come up brighter than I'd expect. I tried both "Perceptual Gamma" and "Linear Light" modes, no change. Video demonstrating (I compare with Paint.Net on it, but the result there is the same on any other software aside from GIMP - from Photoshop to html rendering in web browsers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfAXikmCYqg&feature=youtu.be RE: All my color blendings are tending towards brighter values in all images - Ofnuts - 01-27-2024 This is normal... Independently of any underlying representation, what is "midpoint gray"? Can we assume that it emits/reflects as much light as an area where half the pixels are black and half the pixels are white? Then: [attachment=11068]
Which side is closer to the middle? In fact, making the right side indistinguishable from the middle is a good way to tune your display... Why is it so?
* In Gimp 2.8, all you got was a brownish (128,128,0): [attachment=11069], and the center of the gradient was noticeably darker that the sides. * In Gimp 2.10, the midpoint color is (188,188,0) : [attachment=11070], and the gradient luminosity is more even (though can ask the Blend tool to produce a "perceptual gradient" which is the 2.8-style gradient. If you use the Pointer dialog or the Sample Points dialog you can ask for the Pixel representation, which in high-precision images is the actual [0.0 .. 1.0] brightness value. (*) If you do the computation yourself, you find 186. Gimp in practice uses the SRGB color space which is a bit different. RE: All my color blendings are tending towards brighter values in all images - Ellye - 01-27-2024 (01-27-2024, 09:52 AM)Ofnuts Wrote: This is normal... Independently of any underlying representation, what is "midpoint gray"? Can we assume that it emits/reflects as much light as an area where half the pixels are black and half the pixels are white? Then:Thanks for the explanation! Thing is, for me currently, parity with other software environments is a more important factor right now. To be more precise, I need parity with how browsers render HTML5 canvas - and they do not seem to take that last correction step you listed. If I mix a 255 color with a 0 color on my browser, the result will be a 128 color - not a 188 color. Is there any option on GIMP 2.10 to mimic this behavior, or is downgrading to 2.8 a better out for me? RE: All my color blendings are tending towards brighter values in all images - rich2005 - 01-27-2024 (01-27-2024, 02:58 PM)Ellye Wrote: Thing is, for me currently, parity with other software environments is a more important factor right now. You can try painting in a transparent overlay, using perceptual mode. Might work for you. example: https://i.imgur.com/RVoNgpN.mp4 RE: All my color blendings are tending towards brighter values in all images - Ellye - 01-27-2024 (01-27-2024, 03:19 PM)rich2005 Wrote:Thanks!(01-27-2024, 02:58 PM)Ellye Wrote: Thing is, for me currently, parity with other software environments is a more important factor right now. Perceptual mode on the layer properties does work for what I want! |